Wednesday, September 30, 2009

Hell Know - From and old friend

Brother Sal at understands the truth about hell. He understands it because he takes Scripture for the words it says quite literally and makes no attempt like , we find in religions today to redefine words like death, perish and destruction. HOW ABOUT YOU? DO YOU LIKE TO CHANGE WORDS LIKE DEATH TO MEAN ETERNAL TORMENT, OR SEPARATION FROM GOD.......BUT AT THE SAME TIME saying IN HIS PRESENCE BEING FRIED FOREVER IN HELL, NEVER WITHOUT END????What confusion!
We all know who is the author of that.

Enjoy the truth and not tradition:
People sure love their Hell don’t they? They just can’t, or don’t want to understand that only God reads hearts.

Hell is a way you compare yourself to the filthiness of others. That other person who is committing those sins that you don’t is surely going to burn in hell for them, but not you, you don’t do that sin.

The reality is that we all deserve and will receive death for our sin condition unless we do the only thing we can to get remission and eternal life. The only other prospect is to do nothing and die from it.

Living the life of calling on God to help you live a life closer to what Jesus demonstrated a man’s life should be, is all in the relationship that is made possible by the sacrifice of Jesus which destroyed the wall of partition built between man and God by Adam.

Since then we have direct access to the Father and our confidence in our salvation grows with each passing day that we take the time to cast our cares on Him.

If you are not availing yourself of that, start today. If you are, then you know what I say is true. And what that confidence in your salvation should be doing is opening your mind to let the revealed Word of God come into you.

The Word is already there. The time for it to be understood, in it’s relevant to the times meaning, is now. Daniel is on the scene. We are well into the toes Kingdom time. The Jews who are living today are the generation that will see the end – their end.

Let me tell you about Hell and everlasting punishment from my point of view of what it says in Scripture.

The last word on the fate of all those with the inherited sin condition, ergo all humans, is to be raised and judged and then thrown into the lake of fire to receive their second death. Now, that is exactly what happens to them according to Jesus, as He told John in Revelation 20:15. There is no further word except that all those who were not in the book of life were tossed into the lake where they died.

Now, where is the misunderstanding about that? Death means death, not everlasting punishment. But on the other hand, death IS and everlasting punishment.

That means we have to work backwards in scripture from there. That is the final word on it – Death for those with the sin condition who did nothing about it.

Now let’s examine everlasting life. Who gets it? Only the New Creatures in Christ have that promise. NO ONE ELSE! Now, everlasting life for the new creature is everlasting life with God.

If a human, who is not a new creature, is forever punished in "hell", burning in fire for eternity, then that human has everlasting life, but without God. Where is the punishment for the sin condition? That punishment is made very clear by God in Scripture in four words; for sin comes DEATH. Ergo Jesus dies to pay for the sin condition of mankind.

From that time on, after the Jews reject the sacrifice of Jesus, the New Covenant Creatures in Christ are promised that Jesus is the covering for their sin condition and that they have everlasting life in place of death because of Jesus.

Where is the "Hell" in that? I simply can't find it; which entirely changes the meaning of hell. Who gets it as everlasting punishment? The saved get heaven, and the unsaved get death. Who gets Hell?

Religion teaches that the unsaved sinners go to hell and burn forever. Jesus says that unsaved sinners get death in the lake of fire. Confusion!

But we do have three names that are singled out by God to receive an everlasting punishment; The Devil, The Beast and The False Prophet. Let’s examine that.

The Beast, who came out of the Pit (the Abyss) to possess the Little Horn and turn him into Antichrist, or the false deliverer of the Jews, is not a human. He is already an everlasting being; a Prince in the angelic world according to Daniel. He possessed a human, and when that human was tossed into the lake of fire, he died, but the eternal being that was The Beast, is tormented day and night forever and ever. Which may a different meaning than it appears, but we will leave that for now.

At that same time, The False Prophet is tossed into the lake and he is tormented day and night forever. Now we know from Scripture that The False Prophet works miracles, so he has an everlasting spirit behind him also, since miracles are definitely not a human characteristic. So again, the human part dies in the fire, and the spirit being is tormented forever and ever. That is at the beginning of the millennial reign of Jesus and His Body who the redeemed that went to heaven as promised – all those who accepted Jesus as the covering for their sin condition under the terms of the covenant.

Now, jump ahead in time over 1000 years. The Devil, who was chained and locked in the Pit for the 1000 years, was in a different place (the same place that the Beast had come out of). He is let out of the Pit and he goes to “his own” (who are they where did they come from?) and tries once again to destroy God's people. Of course he is defeated, and this time he (The Devil – Satan/Lucifer) is tossed into the lake of fire where The Beast and The False Prophet are (for over 1000 years now) and he is tormented forever.

Now there is on one else that is ever mentioned that is burned in the lake of fire and lives forever tormented. It is spelled out exactly, without need for interpretation. God said what He meant and meant what He said.

So, now we have to deal with all the scriptures that talk about hell. But we must deal with it from what we know the result is, not assume we know what it means and then get to the end and put a false spin on what the end says.

You are forced to put a false spin on the end because you locked yourself in back at the beginning. All of a sudden you get to the end of the story and you find that everyone is either in heaven or dead. Now, in order for all of the other stuff to be true, this has to be false. Confusion!

But, we know that God does not tell falsehoods, so something else is wrong. We know that God is not the author of confusion, so the confusion does not come from Him. Now whose purpose is it to confuse us? And what good would it serve? It certainly would not serve God to confuse us, because he took the time to tell us that He is not the author of confusion. There is only one adversary - the Devil. It suits his purpose to make you believe there is an everlasting fiery hell waiting for you after you are saved, as a punishment if you sin, because you can’t live a sinless life – you can only be covered for your sin condition.

If you were to think that you could loose your salvation because of your sinful ways, then despair sets in when you can't overcome your sins. And as time goes on one might have the tendency to start picking and choosing what it is that they believe about the word of God - that's where it gets confusing and where the Laodicean Church age came from.

And in my opinion it's all caused by Religious Tradition which Jesus condemned.

The part about tormented forever and ever. The word translated forever is "aion". Aion means, "For an age", and the Greek double emphasis is not there, i.e. the great tribulation the great (double emphasis to single it out from ordinary tribulation)

So, one could take that to mean that at the end of some age time line even that will come to an end.

But none of this affects our standing in salvation. There is only one prerequisite for Salvation; being in Christ. Being there eliminates for all time the possibility of there being a "hell" for the saved.

If you read my piece on the sin condition then you understand what I am saying and where I'm coming from on this. If you haven’t then read it.

I hope I have clarified this muddy issue for you. If not, just keep asking until you run out of questions. We can't learn if we don't ask. You owe it to your free and abundant life to find the answers for yourself. That's why God made the relationship so personal. You have the right and obligation to seek out the truth of His Word.

Just keep in mind that Jesus told the high priest that the Word of God is made VOID by your traditions.

As I have been teaching for all these years, you won’t get it by osmosis; you must study the Word of God as He said. Faith commeth by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God, and Faith is what saves, and Faith is an action, based upon belief and sustained by confidence, and saved means everlasting life with God.

Could it be any simpler than that?

Brother Sal

1 comment:

Brother Mark said...

Life and Death: The Two Polar Opposites

The apostle Paul summed up the whole matter of people’s reward for sin when he wrote:


For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.

Could anything be clearer than this text? The wages for sin is shown to be death, and eternal life is stated to be a gift from God, not something people already have. This is consistently expressed from Genesis to Revelation, notice:

MATTHEW 7:13-14

“Enter through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad the road that leads to destruction and many enter through it, (14) but small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”

JOHN 3:16

“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”


For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.


The one who sows to please the sinful nature from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the spirit, from the spirit will reap eternal life.


The truly righteous man attains life, but he who pursues evil goes to his death.[2]

All these passages clearly describe the two separate destinies of the righteous and the unrighteous. The “righteous” are people who are in-right-standing with God because they’ve accepted his sacrifice for their sins, the “unrighteous” are those who are not in-right-standing with their Creator because they’ve rejected his offer of salvation.[3] The former will inherit eternal life, whereas the latter will reap the wages of sin and be destroyed.

Yet those who adhere to the eternal torture doctrine mysteriously don’t accept this blatantly clear biblical truth. They don’t believe that the two polar opposites are life and death; they believe the two polar opposites are eternal life in heavenly bliss and eternal life in burning torment. Sounds ridiculous, doesn’t it? They may not phrase it in such an open manner, but this is what they actually believe when it comes down to it.