from what they literally say for me to believe in a eternal INN OF SUFFERING or final destruction
without resurrection. Come on....Explain each of these verses away one right after another....
and I will show you MANY MANY MANY MORE that you will need to do the same to....
and then I will consider your tradition AFTER YOU explain how eternal and forever do not mean
any thing but a long time period with a beginning and an end. The word eternal is from the Greek aion,
which means a period of time or age lasting,with a beginning and an end...
Are there any verses that can help support ALL being saved?
You say most will burn in hell forever or be forever dead in the Lake of Fire.
But please first show me how these verses are saying the opposite of what they are saying......then I will show you many, many more that you will need to cut out from Scripture or show that they do not mean what they say!
Psalmist: “ALL the ends of the world shall remember and turn to the Lord, and ALL the families of the nations shall worship before You. For the kingdom is the LORD’S And He rules over the nations. All the prosperous of the earth will eat and worship, All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him, Even he who cannot keep his soul alive” (Psalm 22:27-29).
Peter: “For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God” (1 Peter 3:18).
First there are the parallel verses. I think these are thrown into the mix in order to combat the naysayers who will try to prove that “all doesn’t really mean ALL!” Oh yeah? Well if all doesn’t mean ALL, then not everybody is condemned by Adam’s sin, not everyone is disobedient, and not everyone dies:
“So then as through one transgression [Adam's] there resulted condemnation to all men even so through one act of righteousness [Christ's] there resulted justification of life to all men” (Romans 5:18).
“For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all” (Romans 11:32).
“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order” (1 Cor. 15:22-23).
Well, some people say, maybe those are just flukes. It’s only 3 verses out of thousands, right? Besides, these are just the writings of Paul. Maybe Paul got a little overly excited about grace after his experience of being coerced into belief when he wasn’t even looking for Jesus. Maybe Paul did say he was a “pattern of those who would be believing” in Christ (1 Tim. 1:16, KJV), but maybe he was a little crazy after being blinded, shipwrecked and whatnot. So do any other writers in the Bible write about “all” being saved?
Torah Writer: “And in you [Abraham] all the families of the earth will be blessed” (Gen. 12:3).
Psalmist: “ALL the ends of the world shall remember and turn to the Lord, and ALL the families of the nations shall worship before You. For the kingdom is the LORD’S And He rules over the nations. All the prosperous of the earth will eat and worship, All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him, Even he who cannot keep his soul alive” (Psalm 22:27-29).
Isaiah: “And the Lord of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain” (Is. 25:6).
Daniel: “All the dominions will serve and obey Him” (Daniel 7:27).
Zephaniah: “For then I will give to the peoples purified lips, that all of them may call on the name of the Lord, to serve Him shoulder to shoulder (Zeph. 3:9).
Luke: And the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of a great joy which shall be for all the people” (Luke 2:10).
John: “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself” (John 12:32).
Peter: “For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God” (1 Peter 3:18).
So now you see why I say, either He saves all as promised, or He saves none because His promises are not valid. In the mean time, what do we do with all the verses that seem to say otherwise? Do people only get “one chance” to be saved in this lifetime?
http://www.julieferwerda.com/2011/07/07/jesus-saves-all-or-he-saves-none/Are there any verses that can help support ALL being saved?
You say most will burn in hell forever or be forever dead in the Lake of Fire.
But please first show me how these verses are saying the opposite of what they are saying......then I will show you many, many more that you will need to cut out from Scripture or show that they do not mean what they say!
Psalmist: “ALL the ends of the world shall remember and turn to the Lord, and ALL the families of the nations shall worship before You. For the kingdom is the LORD’S And He rules over the nations. All the prosperous of the earth will eat and worship, All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him, Even he who cannot keep his soul alive” (Psalm 22:27-29).
Peter: “For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God” (1 Peter 3:18).
First there are the parallel verses. I think these are thrown into the mix in order to combat the naysayers who will try to prove that “all doesn’t really mean ALL!” Oh yeah? Well if all doesn’t mean ALL, then not everybody is condemned by Adam’s sin, not everyone is disobedient, and not everyone dies:
“So then as through one transgression [Adam's] there resulted condemnation to all men even so through one act of righteousness [Christ's] there resulted justification of life to all men” (Romans 5:18).
“For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all” (Romans 11:32).
“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order” (1 Cor. 15:22-23).
Well, some people say, maybe those are just flukes. It’s only 3 verses out of thousands, right? Besides, these are just the writings of Paul. Maybe Paul got a little overly excited about grace after his experience of being coerced into belief when he wasn’t even looking for Jesus. Maybe Paul did say he was a “pattern of those who would be believing” in Christ (1 Tim. 1:16, KJV), but maybe he was a little crazy after being blinded, shipwrecked and whatnot. So do any other writers in the Bible write about “all” being saved?
Torah Writer: “And in you [Abraham] all the families of the earth will be blessed” (Gen. 12:3).
Psalmist: “ALL the ends of the world shall remember and turn to the Lord, and ALL the families of the nations shall worship before You. For the kingdom is the LORD’S And He rules over the nations. All the prosperous of the earth will eat and worship, All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him, Even he who cannot keep his soul alive” (Psalm 22:27-29).
Isaiah: “And the Lord of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain” (Is. 25:6).
Daniel: “All the dominions will serve and obey Him” (Daniel 7:27).
Zephaniah: “For then I will give to the peoples purified lips, that all of them may call on the name of the Lord, to serve Him shoulder to shoulder (Zeph. 3:9).
Luke: And the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of a great joy which shall be for all the people” (Luke 2:10).
John: “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself” (John 12:32).
Peter: “For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God” (1 Peter 3:18).
So now you see why I say, either He saves all as promised, or He saves none because His promises are not valid. In the mean time, what do we do with all the verses that seem to say otherwise? Do people only get “one chance” to be saved in this lifetime?
http://www.julieferwerda.com/2011/07/07/jesus-saves-all-or-he-saves-none/Are there any verses that can help support ALL being saved?
You say most will burn in hell forever or be forever dead in the Lake of Fire.
But please first show me how these verses are saying the opposite of what they are saying......then I will show you many, many more that you will need to cut out from Scripture or show that they do not mean what they say!
Psalmist: “ALL the ends of the world shall remember and turn to the Lord, and ALL the families of the nations shall worship before You. For the kingdom is the LORD’S And He rules over the nations. All the prosperous of the earth will eat and worship, All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him, Even he who cannot keep his soul alive” (Psalm 22:27-29).
Peter: “For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God” (1 Peter 3:18).
First there are the parallel verses. I think these are thrown into the mix in order to combat the naysayers who will try to prove that “all doesn’t really mean ALL!” Oh yeah? Well if all doesn’t mean ALL, then not everybody is condemned by Adam’s sin, not everyone is disobedient, and not everyone dies:
“So then as through one transgression [Adam's] there resulted condemnation to all men even so through one act of righteousness [Christ's] there resulted justification of life to all men” (Romans 5:18).
“For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all” (Romans 11:32).
“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order” (1 Cor. 15:22-23).
Well, some people say, maybe those are just flukes. It’s only 3 verses out of thousands, right? Besides, these are just the writings of Paul. Maybe Paul got a little overly excited about grace after his experience of being coerced into belief when he wasn’t even looking for Jesus. Maybe Paul did say he was a “pattern of those who would be believing” in Christ (1 Tim. 1:16, KJV), but maybe he was a little crazy after being blinded, shipwrecked and whatnot. So do any other writers in the Bible write about “all” being saved?
Torah Writer: “And in you [Abraham] all the families of the earth will be blessed” (Gen. 12:3).
Psalmist: “ALL the ends of the world shall remember and turn to the Lord, and ALL the families of the nations shall worship before You. For the kingdom is the LORD’S And He rules over the nations. All the prosperous of the earth will eat and worship, All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him, Even he who cannot keep his soul alive” (Psalm 22:27-29).
Isaiah: “And the Lord of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain” (Is. 25:6).
Daniel: “All the dominions will serve and obey Him” (Daniel 7:27).
Zephaniah: “For then I will give to the peoples purified lips, that all of them may call on the name of the Lord, to serve Him shoulder to shoulder (Zeph. 3:9).
Luke: And the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of a great joy which shall be for all the people” (Luke 2:10).
John: “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself” (John 12:32).
Peter: “For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God” (1 Peter 3:18).
So now you see why I say, either He saves all as promised, or He saves none because His promises are not valid. In the mean time, what do we do with all the verses that seem to say otherwise? Do people only get “one chance” to be saved in this lifetime?
http://www.julieferwerda.com/2011/07/07/jesus-saves-all-or-he-saves-none/
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